Bramcote School Development – Proposals Being Discussed

The pictures below show the school development proposals being discussed. I stress these are proposals under discussion and a planning application has not been submitted to Broxtowe Borough Council yet. You can enlarge each picture by clicking on it.

1. Land controlled by the White Park Federation Trust

1. Land controlled by the White Park Federation Trust

Picture No. 1 shows the land controlled by the White Hills Park Federation Trust outlined in red.

  • The bottom area is Alderman White School.
  • The next area up contains the Bramcote School and the land bounded by Bramcote Hills Primary School, Moor Lane, Derby Road (A52), and Foxwood School.
  • The 3rd area from the bottom is the current Bramcote College. The area adjacent to this outlined with red dots is new school playing fields.
  • The area at the top of the picture is the existing playing field between Bramcote Moor and Coventry Lane.

 

2. Land that may be sold for housing development marked light green.

2. Land that may be sold for housing development marked light green.

Picture No. 2 shows the land that may be sold to fund the development and the area of the new school campus.

  • The area shown at the bottom of the picture in light green is the area that contains the Bramcote School and the land bounded by Bramcote Hills Primary School, Moor Lane, Derby Road (A52), and Foxwood School. This is the area that is being considered for sale for housing development.
  • The area above outlined with a solid red line is the new Bramcote School campus.
  • Note: Although there are proposals to redevelop Alderman White School, its land does not appear to be affected.

 

3. Bramcote College campus.

3. Bramcote College campus.

Picture No. 3 shows basic proposals for the new Bramcote School Campus.

Included are the location of a new school building and the new playing fields.

 

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26 Responses to Bramcote School Development – Proposals Being Discussed

  1. Ian Blakeley says:

    To me its a no brainer. Build the houses on the old gravel pits, ie the area that they want to build a sports field on, improve the schools and improve the existing sports field and running track.

    But what would I know?

  2. Ian Farrow says:

    Overall I think everyone knew it was only a matter of time before the schools needed redevelopment and we knew deep down the way to pay for this is by selling off some of the land. I support the development of the Schools, its well over due – So Let’s hope everyone see this and finds the best way for them to fund it…

    It would make sense to consider and evaluate the housing proposals on ‘both’ sports pitches controlled by the federation to find the best location to suit all; I assume the preference for the running track grounds is the developer would also demolish the old Bramcote Park School and there would be a cost to the WHP Academy in clearing this site to become part of the ‘park’; but wouldn’t the impact and extension of the housing estate onto the sports field which boarder Coventry Lane also be assessed, as there could be better road links created into the new housing etc, also work could start today without impacting existing school services… – I think developing this land would be more preferable, and keeping the existing running track provides a good “campus” for the new school, the Bramcote primary and Foxwood and the Leisure Center as an extension to Bramcote Park and the Woods; where as the ‘isolated’ fields off Coventry Lane don’t form part of any other amenity.

    @Ian the building on the old gravel pits is highly controlled as it was used for landfill – so would only ever get permission for recreational use – no houses could be build on their due to escaping gases etc.

  3. Ian Blakeley says:

    Ian, thanks for the information about the landfill off Coventry Lane. However, I’m sure that after a suitable length of time such land can be used for building. I’ve a feeling that close to where I lived in Manchester (long, long ago) that happened and they built houses.

    • Ian Farrow says:

      I’m sure anything is possible; but the costs of building on land used for landfill will be much more than that of ‘green field’ or the ‘brown field’ of the existing school – and wouldn’t be as attractive to the developers – Also the plans show the WHP Academy only have part of this land under their ownership/control.

      Would also be interesting to know where the City and Broxtowe Boundary sits in relation to all the sites.

  4. Steve Austin says:

    The city boundary runs down the backs of the houses on the Bramcote side of Grangewood Road. ‘Legoland is in Nottingham. The boundary then runs down Moor Lane towards the traffic lights at Balloon Woods.
    None of the school site is in Nottingham although the end of the playing field furthest from the school is is fairly close.

  5. Claire Taylor-Wilson says:

    How will people get to these houses – will the main route be off Moor Lane? -The access to the proposed site is limited due to not being able to turn right off the A52 meaning all the surrounding quiet roads will be turned into access roads for a huge housing estate and large schools. I agree with previous comments that the fields that back onto Coventry Lane with access off Coventry Lane would be much more suitable. Is there not already traffic and speeding issues on Moor Lane? What is the blue dotted line going around Arundel for labelled 6? Is this what they are proposing as the access road for the new housing?

    I don’t dispute they need to raise money as the schools are in need of development but the other site would be much more suitable.

  6. Ian H says:

    I have just returned from a superbly run and enthusiatically supported Sports Day at Bramcote Hills Primary School. Sitting amongst the kids on the bank of the running track was great fun. Looking across the field to the events was majestic (admitedly the sunshine helped). Highlights included the Y4 ‘beanbag balanced on the head’ race with it’s attendant earnestly concentrating faces and wonderfully varied techniques and a Y6 400m race. Yep 400m!

    I felt very privileged to enjoy this event on the running track, parents mingling with the children etc. What a spectacle, and what a great resource!

    Apparently it won’t be available in the near future to enjoy again. Oh dear.

    Oh, and what about the hundreds of kids…………thousands in the years to come?

  7. IanH says:

    Oh and another thing.

    The traffic on Moor Lane at start and end of the school day is just horrendous. Indeed, many claim, dangerous. If there is any traffic for Bramcote School arriving leaving at that time, it will be added to that congestion. If there any parents that pick up from the leisure centre at present, they are likely to add to that congestion. If there is any traffic arriving or leaving the new housing development they will also add to the congestion (especially if they want to turn right onto the A52.) If the ‘new build’ school/college attracts more pupils…… you get my drift!

    Child safety concerns anyone?

  8. Debbie W says:

    There’s always been child safety concerns on Moor Lane at picking up/dropping off times, mainly because of the stupidity of a few thoughtless parents/carers in cars. I’ve even been walking on the pavement with my children and some elderly woman who had parked on the pavement, then started her car and drove along the path at me because she wanted to use a driveway to exit the pavement, rather than drop off the kerb and possibly suffer a bumpy ride/damage her car.

    Other parents who’d parked on with two tyres on the pavement drove along it while my children and I were pedestrians.

    I’ve seen parents do three point turns at the school gates despite that area being the traditional place for everyone to cross over and the road painted red to alert everyone to be extra careful.

    Extra vehicles would certainly add to the problems on Moor Lane at picking up and dropping off times.

  9. Martin Plackett says:

    It would be good to know WHEN the White Hills Schools Federation Governing Body first made the decision to offer for sale the School Playing Fields. Perhaps the Chair of Governors would enlighten Bramcote Today readers? If as it has been suggested that ‘it was some time ago’ then can we ask Broxtowe Planners and its Council Committee Chair why possible housing numbers were not included in the Core Stratergy which MAY have effected the plans to build on Field Farm and/or in Toton?

    Excellent news about the re-building and modernisation of the School, but if as the plans suggest the land off Moor Lane is to be sold for housing this could have serious repercussions for Bramcote residents?

  10. Ken Morrell says:

    Investment such as this in our local schools is to be welcomed and if selling off some land for housing is necessary to raise the required funding then, provided this is done after due consideration and consultation, in a well managed way and having regard for existing residents on whom it may impact, then I am fully supportive.

    However, I do share Martin Plackett’s concerns as to whether the proposed new housing was known about by the Council Planning Committee when it was developing its Core Strategy.

    The need for additional housing in the area seems to have been accepted. We do need to ensure that the road network and other core services can sustain the additional people and their vehicles, though and surely this requires effective, joined up, strategic planning.

    I would echo Martin’s request for clarification from The Chair of Governors and David Watts, our Borough Councillor (who, I understand, have been in consultation for some time) as to when the Borough Council were first aware of this proposed development. Surely, if it were known about at the time the Core Strategy was being developed, this additional housing should have been considered and may have influenced the decision to build on greenbelt land at Field Farm and/or in Toton. Exactly how, if at all, did this proposal inform the Council’s decision making process? I’m sure there are more than two of us who would like to know.

    • There sure are more than the two of you who wish to know how long David Watts knew about this. It is disgusting that the information has not been submitted into the core strategy.
      Certain Councillors should know better and as they are ALL elected to represent people in various areas they should not be hiding vital information from the public.
      Everything posible should have been done to protect the valuable greenbelt land such as Field Farm.
      Allowing 450 houses to be built on Field Farm does nothing positive for the community.
      Also I personally think any developments of housing should take place on the land off Coventry Lane, it would be a lot better choice and have easier access and cause less problems for local residents.
      I do look forward to the new school being built as it will benefit future generations to come, although I will be sad to see Park Comp gone as it is the school I went too.

      • Patrick Ratcliffe says:

        As a resident on Moor Lane, I declare a vested interest.
        I agree with the points made by Richard MacRae.
        To my untrained eye, it appears that there would be far less disruption, were houses to be built on the land off Covenrty Lane.
        I am disappointed, though not surprised, that local politicians have voiced no opinions, that I have read, on the proposals outlined. They really don’t appear to be fit and able to stand up and outline their political or even personal opinions on the issues, or perhaps they are simply afraid.

      • Ian H says:

        Or maybe it’s all a bit too close to home?

  11. Sue Sambells says:

    Posting on behalf of Tim Aikin:

    I’ve had a look at the school proposals for utilising it’s assets to consolidate the school premises. I am really pleased that they are proposing this because our community needs good schools and in todays climate that means well equipped modern facilities. Do you remember when the school was losing students from the area to better schools resulting in having to recruit and bus in students from other areas to get bums on seats at any cost in a cruel bid to attract and keep its funding. We had cars peeping residents as they drove down the bridle path to use the Bramcote Moor pitches, Toton Tigers making Bramcote college their home and Trent Barton refusing to run services because of poor student behaviour, and the litter blowing off the school grounds was unbelievable. Since those days the school has strived to improve its relationship with the local community and in the process improved it performance. A good school serving the local community in an area adds a premium to properties even when the choice is wider, parents and students prefer local. I will confess my daughter does not go to the local school and one of the reasons was the state of the facilities amongst others so l speak as an example of how parents think.

    Having lived in Bramcote since 1999 l have seen how we are missing out on great sports facilities with a make do attitude. The potential for the school consolidation and leisure centre to be relocated to the old biffa site would open up access from Coventry lane easing that congestion on Moor Lane. Modern schools which are well equipped are able to hire out facilities to local clubs. You may not be aware that the local football club cannot do all its winter training in bramcote and the Bramcote netball club is based out of Bilborough that is the current reality. There are clubs waiting to be born but hampered by a lack of local facilities and parents then having to travel outside the area, increasing their carbon foot print, to in an ever growing demand to keep fit by playing sports.

    As an Architect the prospect of a housing development on the Moor Lane site is very exciting. Designers relish sites with mature trees, and combined with pressures to provide sustainable housing with low to zero carbon levels means that it is more likely the homes provided would be high quality rather than the usual developer twee poor design of past, built to capital price rather than whole life. Housing set in such a rich wooded environment should be exceptional and as a community we should demand quality over quantity.

    This could be an exciting time of positive evolution in Bramcote Short term inconvenience is a small price to pay for prosperity in the years to come.

    • Ann Hart says:

      Thanks Tim for gathering the thoughts as we had discussed. The school development looks great and the financing now needs to be explored.

    • Patrick Ratcliffe says:

      I doubt you’d feel quite this way if you lived directly opposite what is being proposed as an exciting opportunity with just a little short-term inconvenience.

    • Ian Blakeley says:

      I think that it’s really wonderful how some people blithely say ‘inconvenience (to you) today, is a small price to pay for (others) prosperity in years to come’.

      Incidentally I don’t live in the area concerned although I do have family who attends BHPS with another one only about 2 years away.

  12. Claire Taylor-Wilson says:

    Is there anywhere where we can view the full plans as it’s unclear from the above shots where the access to the new housing site and leisure centre will be? I can’t see anywhere in the plans above that there will be access off Coventry Lane but there does look like there may be access of Ilkeston road. But it also looks like they are proposing that arundel drive and moor lane will be access roads too which are not roads designed to take so much traffic. This will hardly be a “short term” inconvenience to residents living on those roads.

  13. Martin Plackett says:

    I would echo and fully endorse Tim’s thoughts about the proposed new/refurbished Bramcote Site Schools/s. the advantages both short and long term more than outweigh any disadvantages. My only cautious comment would be to say that however desirable it may be to build adjacent to Moor Lane, this would have serious consequences to residents of Bramcote Hills with regard to traffic numbers and flow through the Hills and on to Derby Road. Without seeing how the planners propose to enter and exit the Moor Lane site it is difficult to make a firm judgement, but to build on the playing fields exiting on to Coventry Lane would at this stage appear to be the best solution.

    We await the plans with interest, and hope that a full consultation with the Schools, Planners and Local Residents will be a priority. Until then I would hope that all parties will keep an open mind.

    May I presume that Ann Hart was speaking personally rather than the Chair of the Bramcote Hills Community Association.? A body that must endeavour to represent ALL RESIDENTS of Bramcote Hills who no doubt will have differing views on the proposed plans!

  14. IanH says:

    I understand the need for Bramcote Park/Hills College to develop their facilities (though once again point to the £10,000,000 going into an unneeded site at Dunkirk flyover, which is being built for a curriculum idea that has been withdrawn and that examples from elsewhere seem to show will fail). We are where we are I guess.

    However, access to the new housing development seems to be from Moor Lane or Derby Road. Either of which would add significantly to the traffic on Moor Lane/Arundel etc (along with the extra traffic for the new school site, much of which has hitherto been through the Leisure Centre).

    I like the idea of the new facilities being used by the community. That would mean even extra traffic through the main gates to Bramcote College. I have no objection to that, even though I live directly opposite said gates – I bought my house knowing there was a school opposite, and new builds on that site, along with increased usage comes with the territory. No problems. However, how does the loss of the public access to the Moor Lane land and running track benefit the community? How does the primary school suddenly being hemmed in by housing benefit the community? How does the loss of green space for the children of Bramcote Hills Primary School benefit the community?

    I may be wrong, but the land being proposed to be built on is on a lease from the County Council with not a great number of years left. Who gets the money for it? As an academy, the federation nolonger have anything to do with the council, so there should be an outcry if it was sold to a developer. Who would buy a house with a very short leasehold?

    Does anyone know if this is the case? Does anyone know what the status of the playing fields at Bramcote Moor is? Is it too close to important individuals? Is this all a blind to getting planning permission for the moor?

  15. David Watts says:

    I’ve been off this site for a while (due to pressures of work) and so am just picking up on these comments. I met with the school in March or April when they were starting to think about their options. There will be a note of this meeting with the planning department and I’m more than happy for people to look at this. One of the planning officers was present at the meeting. This was after the public enquiry on the core strategy. Interestingly I don’t recall one comment in response to the consultations that we ran prior to the core strategy being published or at the enquiries where the school fields were put forward by anyone as a site that we should consider for development. If the school had put them forward earlier then we could have included them withon our assessments but until they came forward we had no indication that they were looking at redeveloping anytime soon. I have swapped emails with the headmaster since but this was the sole meeting that we have had.

    My advice to the school when we met was that they had to be very mindful of the green belt line and also that any scheme that they put forward would need to address how traffic would get into and out of the site. I did say, and stand by this, that I would not support any proposals that brought the traffic out onto Moor Lane. I simply could not support any scheme which resulted in significant levels of extra traffic going along Moor Lane or out onto Arundel Drive. It seems to me that the only workable solution would be to bring traffic onto Coventry Lane but if there are other sensible proposals I would happily look at those as well.

    At the moment the scheme is purely at a conceptual stage. There are no detailed plans and the school say that they will be running a consultation between now and Christmas (something else that I suggested to them that they do) before developing firm plans in the next couple of terms after that. I imagine that the school will apply for outline planning permission first, which will establish the general area for development, and they will then come up with a detailed scheme after this is established. It will be necessary for the outline application to make clear what the traffic proposals are and the number of houses that are being proposed.

    I will declare an interest. My older daughter wants to attend the Park when she moves up next year and so she will be directly affected by having a new school built. Even if this was not the case I would be very supportive of the school being able to carry out a redevelopment. As I stressed to the headmaster when I met him it will be far better if the school can do this with the support of the local community rather than in the face of opposition and I will do all that I can to facilitate that.

    I also hope that if a development does go ahead (and this is only one of three options for funding that the school are exploring as I understand it) then there will be some community benefits for Bramcote as well. The leisure centre will need major refurbishment/rebuilding within the next ten to fifteen years and we may be able to generate public money through a development that will enable this to be done, giving us a really high class asset. I also hope that we can work with the school to ensure that sports pitches are available for the community, in the way that Tim Aiken highlighted in his post.

    I hope that this has made my position clear. My previous lack of comments about this on here were simply because I was busy and not, as some have insinuated, that I was scared or had something to gain from staying silent. If anyone wants to know my views on something where I haven’t made a public comment feel free to pick up the phone and ask me!

  16. J Richards says:

    You say that ‘I was busy’. Can I suggest that had you not wanted to desert the people of Bramcote and Broxtowe to commit yourself to the residents in the Newark by-election, more time would have been available to the people of Bramcote.

    Why didn’t you mention your conversations in the Council meetings of 16 April, 07 May or 09 June. The minutes are on the Council’s website and I cannot see any mention of your conversations.

    Whilst on the area of Council meetings. In you newsletter you stated that the Council voted to allow filming in the meetings. A member of public replied stating that no vote was taken. Who is telling the truth?

  17. David Watts says:

    The minutes of council meetings do not record conversations or individual comments so you would not expect to find them there. As for filming in council it was agreed. If someone says that this was not the case then they are mistaken.

  18. J Richards says:

    Cllr Watts, you avoid answering the question.

    In your last newsletter you wrote that the council ‘VOTED’ to allow filming. Grenville Green challenged that statement with the following.

    Dear Cllr Watts, I was at this meeting and NO vote was taken. Comments were asked for and comments were made.

    So Cllr Watts, did the council VOTE or NOT VOTE to allow filming? Both you and Mr Green were in the same meeting but have different views. Perhaps the meeting should have been filmed!

  19. David Watts says:

    I wasn’t trying to avoid the question at all. I’m afraid that Grenville Green is completely mistaken. The resolution before the council said:
    “Council is asked to RESOLVE that the amendments to the Constitution, as detailed in the appendix, be adopted.”
    The first of the amendments referred to in that motion was to allow filming. The motion as a whole was voted on and was carried. There were comments about it from a number of members who were unhappy but I spoke in support of the proposals, as did others. At the end of the debate the matter went to a vote and if I recall correctly was pretty much unanimous.

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